Exploding the myth – Sherborne Rid(e)outs and the Huguenots!

George Ridout, the miller and baker of Sherborne (1701-1779) had married twice. By his first wife Mary Hallett, he had many children, including John (1730-1797) and by his second wife, Mary Gibbs, George had two more sons, one of whom was Thomas (1754-1829). John went to America in 1753 and half brother Thomas followed him in 1774. John had settled in Annapolis, Maryland, married a governor’s daughter and was a close friend and personal secretary of Governor Horatio Sharpe, a relationship which would one day see Ridout owning Sharpe’s thousand acre estate and house at Whitehall. Thomas Ridout initially went to Annapolis but, after many adventures, he moved and settled in Canada in 1788 and held many prestigious positions in his time including Sergeant-at-Arms to the House of Assembly in 1794, Surveyor General of Upper Canada in 1810 and Member of Parliament in 1812. Married twice, Thomas had many children including George (1791-1871) and Thomas Gibbs (1792-1861).

Thomas Ridout (constructed from a pencil sketch in 1812)

In 1812, at the age of nineteen, young Thomas Gibbs Ridout sailed across the sea to England to seek his fortune, if opportunity presented itself. He wrote many letters to his father and brother George during his travels including an interesting diary entry, dated Sunday 9th February 1812, concerning a brief visit to Sherborne, Dorset – his ancestral home.

“On my visit to Sherborne, I went to see my old grandfather’s house. I found it in ruins, the hedges are out of repair, and the avenue of trees leading to the house have their tops cut off. I also went to see the grammar school, which now consists of twenty boys, kept by Rev. J. Cutler. It was Christmas holidays. A girl came out and civilly unlocked the door. I walked up and down the room, saw the oaken benches, desks and wainscoting cut up and carved with 3,000 names; saw John Gibbs Ridout carved upon one. I went to Sherborne church on Sunday, sat just below the fine old organ, and had a full view of the grandeur of this Gothic pile, which has stood unmoved in war and peace, through the storms and tempests of 700 years, its clustered pillars forming a lofty, deep arch. The mossy walls seem to defy time, and I think that seven centuries may again roll away, and this building will remain in a perfect state. After church, James Ridout showed me grandfather’s seat, near the pulpit, which I entered—the place beyond Lord Digby’s. There, on that spot, fifty years ago, sat my father, in the other corner, grandfather. Here in this church, for generations, had the family been christened and buried; but I found myself more a stranger in Sherborne than any other town I had been in. James Ridout, being churchwarden, showed me the parish books from 1640. In 1630 I saw the name of John Ridout in the vestry.”

This passage and many others of interest are to be found in a volume entitled ‘Ten Years in Upper Canada: Peace and War 1805-1815’ having been collated and annotated by Matilda (Ridout) Edgar, daughter of Thomas Gibbs Ridout and wife of Sir James D Edgar. The volume was published in 1890. Lady Edgar also wrote a book called ‘A Colonial Governor in Maryland 1753-1773’, published in 1912. This is the story of Horatio Sharpe, his life and times as Governor of Maryland, a position which he took up in 1753 having travelled from his native Yorkshire taking with him a young John Ridout, as his secretary.

Much as I have enjoyed reading these two books, I was ‘surprised’ to read the following passage in the later volume:

“John Ridout, the youngest of the trio, was born at Sherborne, Dorsetshire, England, in 1732, and was there fore but twenty-one years old when he arrived in Maryland. He had just graduated at the University of Oxford after five years’ residence there, and had been recommended for the position of secretary by his Hebrew professor to Dr. Gregory Sharpe, who had been commissioned by his brother the governor to find him ‘ a scholar and a gentleman ‘ to accompany him to America. That the place of secretary was no sinecure the voluminous correspondence preserved in the archives of Maryland bears witness. Of Huguenot descent, for the Ridouts had left France in the sixteenth century, presumably on account of the religious persecutions in that country, John Ridout was throughout his life firm in his convictions, straightforward in his conduct and, as became his ancestry, somewhat austere. He soon won the esteem and affection of Governor Sharpe, whose letters bear testimony to the worth of his young secretary.”

There was also the following footnote, information acknowledged by Lady Edgar as having been provided to her by Dr William Govane Ridout of Annapolis, great grandson of John Ridout, who would have been about seventy-six at the time, I think:

“The Ridouts (spelt also Rideout) of Sherborne, were descendants of Thomas Ridout of Henstridge, Somerset. The family came originally from France from the neighbourhood of Fontainebleau and settled in England about the middle of the sixteenth century. In Hutchins’ Visitation of the Somerset, now in the College of Arms, London, mention is made of the granting of a coat-of-arms in 1551 to Thomas Ridout of Henstridge. These arms bear a striking resemblance to those borne by the de Rideouts de Sance (see Hozier’s Armorial General of the French Nobility), near Fontainebleau. In the will of Walter Ridout of Langlin, Dorset, a descendant of Thomas, dated 1582, among other legacies he bequeaths a large sum of money to the church at Fontainebleau. Christopher Ridout, son of Thomas, was baptized at Henstridge, Somerset, 24th November 1664, and settled in Sherborne, Dorset. His eldest son, George, born at Sherborne in 1702, was the father of the John Ridout who came to America with Horatio Sharpe.”

Appearing as it does in such an authoritative and well written book, this paragraph has probably contributed to generations of Ridouts thinking that their ancestors were French Huguenots! As a genealogist, I see it as my duty to at least provide some alternative information so that interested parties might make their own judgement but I know that, once entrenched, these myths are hard to dispel and people will want to hold onto their beliefs which is, of course, their prerogative. The two points I offer in ‘evidence’ are these. Firstly, as already discussed in earlier posts, George Ridout the baker was son of Christopher Ridout of Sherborne (bp. 1669) NOT Christopher Ridout of Henstridge (bp. 1664). Secondly, an examination of the will of Walter Ridout of Langham, Gillingham, dated 5th September 1582, shows that he made a bequest not to the church in Fontainebleu, France but to the parish church of ffountmealle, which is an archaic spelling of Fontmell – as in Fontmell Magna, in Dorset! He left the church 16 pence.

The Henstridge Ridout line is distantly related to the Sherborne Ridout line, according to yDNA test results anyway, and is also apparently of Celtic origin, not Norman descent i.e. French Huguenots! I can say with some conviction that these families are Dorset folk as far back as records can show – and so, therefore, are American and Canadian Ridouts who descend from ‘George the baker’.

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18 Responses to Exploding the myth – Sherborne Rid(e)outs and the Huguenots!

  1. Ian Bell's avatar Ian Bell says:

    I am a descendent of Thomas Ridout living in Paris, Ontario, Canada. His (great?) grand daughter Dora was my grandmother. On a visit to Ohio and Kentucky last week, we drove along a stretch of the Ohio River which, after a bit of research when we got home, turned out to the the area where Thomas was captured by the Shawnee in the 1780s, which led to his eventual settling in Canada. I had heard this story since childhood and the river there was actually much as I had imagined it. This led me to your blog.
    Cheers, Ian Bell

    • Prevaricat's avatar Prevaricat says:

      Hi Ian… I’m so pleased you ‘dropped by’. I very rarely hear from Ridouts across the sea in Canada and the US, despite the fact that there are so very many of you, compared with the number of Ridouts in the UK. So, I’m glad you spotted the blog and I hope it is of some interest.

      I guess that your grandmother was Dora Isabel (b. 1885), daughter of George, who was son of Thomas Gibbs, who was son of Thomas? Of course, you and I are not directly related as you descend from Christopher Ridout of Sherborne (b. 1669) whereas I think my family descend from Christopher’s brother John. But I can’t really be sure as I am waiting for more Ridouts to take yDNA tests so that we can figure out where the various lines diverged. Still, our history becomes common at some point back in the 16th century. You have a wonderful lineage, full of very interesting characters. My line, of course, did not emigrate but stayed in Sherborne until my x3 great grandfather John moved to Bath in Somerset and founded his own little dynasty.

      Please enjoy the blog and perhaps point other Ridouts toward it – my sole reason for posting my research online is to disseminate the information for the benefit of others who may not yet be aware of their roots…. keep in touch 🙂

      Regards, Karen

  2. Naomi Ridout's avatar Naomi Ridout says:

    Karen – thank you so much for all the work on this – quite frankly, my father was always highly dubious about claims of either Huguentot or Norman lineage, so I am happy to see you debunking the myth. You might be interested to know that both of Maud Edgar’s books are now out in facsimile editions – you can get them from either the publisher or from Amazon. I have just bought them (although I also own originals), and am quite happy with the quality of the facsimile.
    I don’t know how you find the time to do such first-class work, but we are all benefitting!
    Naomi Ridout
    Ottawa

    • Prevaricat's avatar Prevaricat says:

      Naomi…. I’m so glad that you have enjoyed what you have read on here; I enjoy doing the research and the writing!

      I see a lot of ‘misunderstandings’ about our family reproduced in print and online and all I want to do is provide a viable alternative to certain myths and legends 🙂

      Soon, I am going to put all of this into a book and then the story of this Sherborne family, as I see it, will be ‘out there’ in a more widely accessible form. Thank you again for your interest.

      Kind Regards, Karen

  3. John Miles's avatar John Miles says:

    Hi Karen

    I just came across this post while doing some research on John Ridout and Horatio Sharpe. I am a descendant of Thomas Ridout through his eldest son Samuel Smith Ridout and Sam’s daughter Caroline Amelia Ridout, who married the celebrated Toronto musician James Dodsley Humphreys. Their son, Henry Kingsmill Humphreys, was my great-grandfather. My maternal grandmother, who died when I was 20, vividly remembered meeting Caroline Amelia Ridout/Humphreys in about 1912.

    As a child, I too was told the Ridout Huguenot ‘myth’ – it is indeed fascinating to hear an alternative history!

    Kind regards

    John Christian Ridout Miles

    • Prevaricat's avatar Prevaricat says:

      Hi.. thanks for visiting… I hope you find a lot more of interest about our Ridout ancestors on here (there is a book also). The Huguenot ancestry was a myth passed down through the years… maybe it sounded romantic… 🙂 The truth is our family were living in Sherborne in the 15thC, maybe earlier. Cheers, Karen

      • John Miles's avatar John Miles says:

        Hi Karen
        Thanks for that! I grew up in Toronto but have lived in the UK for 35 years, mainly in London. But perhaps my ancient Ridout blood is the reason why I felt drawn to move to Bath five years ago!
        All best
        John

  4. Prevaricat's avatar Prevaricat says:

    Bath! My adopted home town… My (Ridout) mother and three generations of male Ridouts above her were born in Bath… my x3 grandfather was born in Sherborne and moved to Bath in 1807. So I know the city inside and out… we should meet up one day… when it becomes possible… I live in Wales.

    • John Miles's avatar John Miles says:

      Fascinating! Thomas Ridout made the journey back to London, Sherborne and Bath in I think 1809, so there were at least two Ridouts in Bath that year. I suspect it was a result of this trip that his son TG Ridout then ‘crossed the pond’ in 1812. I agree we should meet up when possible – reading your ‘about me’ page, it sounds like we have each led three or four lives!

      • Prevaricat's avatar Prevaricat says:

        Please tell me more about Thomas visiting the U.K. in advance of his son’s visit in 1812; I didn’t know he had, so where did you find the info?

        By the way, without sounding like a salesperson, do consider my book… the info isn’t all on the blog… and it’s about our family.

  5. John Miles's avatar John Miles says:

    I remember seeing letters that Thomas wrote home during his visit and recall reading his description of London having grown out of all recognition since he left the UK – via Weymouth, incidentally – in 1774. This journey is mentioned in the Dictionary of Canadian Biography:

    http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/ridout_thomas_6E.html

    It was as a result of this visit that Thomas was confirmed in the post of Surveyor-General of Upper Canada.

    Next time I speak to my sister I will ask her if she remembers the letters. They may well have been held by my grandfather’s cousin’s family – I last saw them, and the letters, 38 years ago!

    What I do have in my possession here and can show you is the Canadian Ridout prayerbook of 1811 as well as a silver tablespoon, one of a pair, that belonged to Thomas’s eldest son Samuel Smith Ridout. I also have Sam’s militia officer’s gorget from the War of 1812, worn during the burning of York by the Yankee army in 1813.

    Have you encountered the Ridout-Jarvis duel of 1817? A Big Event in early Toronto history. There still exists some degree of enmity between Toronto Ridouts and Jarvises to this day.

    I’d be very interested in your book – how do I get a copy?

    • Prevaricat's avatar Prevaricat says:

      Hi John… did you manage to get a copy of the book?

      I’ve been looking in my notes and online… I was totally misled by a Mr Thomas Ridout, Surveyor to the Customs, marrying a Mrs Bourke in Maidstone on 10th August 1809!

      Since you said that Thomas Sr had visited Bath I had to wonder if he had met my x3 great grandfather… wish I could find more information as this would be a very interesting connection between our families! Hope you’re keeping well…

      On another subject… there is a member of the Ridout family who very much like to get in touch with you… you are related… but I don’t have any contact details for you… my email address is ranaridibunda@hotmail.com please could you email me?

      cheers, Karen

  6. Prevaricat's avatar Prevaricat says:

    Hi… thanks for the link; I’ll follow it up!
    I’d love to see all your memorabilia… and yes, I have heard of the duel.. it turns up quite a bit on the ‘net. As for the book… there is link in this blog… look for the list of posts on the right of the page and select The Ridout Book is Finally Published… at the bottom of the item there’s a hyperlink..

  7. Don Rideout's avatar Don Rideout says:

    I just now came across your site and it looks like the last post was in 2020. I hope you are still working on Rideout genealogy. My line descends from Elijah Rideout, born in Virginia in 1768. It is possible that his father was John Rideout, not sure about his birth date but probably also born in Virginia. I would love to know which ancestor of mine made the trans-Atlantic crossing to the colonies. Any information you have would be appreciated.

    • Prevaricat's avatar Prevaricat says:

      Hi… I don’t actively research these days but, obviously, I still monitor this website and answer questions 🙂 If you go to the bottom of the title page there is a ‘search’ link. If you enter the word ‘Elijah’ you can then read the one post which refers to him and it’ll tell you how he fits into the larger family tree (I run/ran a yDNA study which allowed me to tie the various strands of Rid(e)outs together). We’re all just one big (enormous!) family. Take NO notice of surname spellings… they’re often irrelevant. Good luck and get back to me if you have further enquiries…. KF

  8. Lee Diaz Rocker's avatar Lee Diaz Rocker says:

    Greetings from USA. I’m a descendant of John Ridout, a game keeper from Holnest, who was married to Ann Bradley. Their eldest son Frederick immigrated to the US in 1845. I have not been successful at finding John Ridout’s parents or grandparents. I am hoping someone here may be able to help me with this.
    Thank you

    Lee

    • Prevaricat's avatar Prevaricat says:

      Frederick James RIDOUT:

      According to his tombstone on the family farm at Long Lick Road in Adams Co. Ohio: DOB:  2 Feb 1824 DOD: 1 Feb 1905, born in Dorsetshire, England.

      From online research of Dorset Parish Records:

      Frederick’s father was John Ridout, b. Dorset & his mother was Ann Bradley, b. Dorset. Frederick was christened on 9 Feb 1824 in Holnest, Dorset, England. He went to school, then moved with his parents to Piddletown in 1835.

      1841 Census Norris Hill, Dorset, England

      Frederick’s age was 15 and he was a lodger in John Porter’s household.

      Frederick’s occupation recorded as ‘gamekeeper’ (? Apprentice)

      United States Research

      According to the 1900 Green Twp. Adams CO. Ohio Census, Frederick states he came to the US in 1845. I have yet to find him on a passenger list.

      16 Apr 1848 Frederick married Mary Jane Gifford, dau. of James & Sarah Rogers/Rodgers Gifford, in Adams Co. Ohio. Secondary source is the 1850 Census of Green Twp., Adams Co. Ohio where it shows they were not married in the year prior to the census.

      1850 Green Twp., Adams Co. OH

      Household 106 Frederick age 25, Mary age 23, and son Chauncey age 6 months

      One thing to note here – property listed in Mary Jane Ridout’s name on a map of Adams Co. Ohio and is adjacent to her parent’s property. Reason? An unnaturalized immigrant cannot own property. But Frederick did become a US citizen because he served as Justice of the Peace in Adams Co. Ohio from 11 Apr 1888 to Apr 1894. Citizenship was one of the requirements.

      From Dorset Parish records online research: John Ridout was christened 6 Feb 1791 at Holnest; father Joseph Ridout, mother Elizabeth Bartlett

      John married Ann Bradley 23 Apr 1823 in Yetminster, Dorset, England. Children gathered from christening records at http://www.dorset-opc:

      Frederick James info above

      Michael Bradley christened 27 Aug 1826 @ Holnest

      William christened 17 Feb 1828 @ Holnest

      Elizabeth Bradley christened 22 Nov 1829 @ Holnest

      Henry chr. 27 Nov 1831@ Holnest and died before Sept 1839

      George chr. 10 Nov 1833 @ Holnest

      Sarah Bradley chr. 18 Dec 1839 @ Piddletown, Dorset

      Henry Bradley chr. 15 Sep 1839 @ Piddletown, Dorset

      Joseph chr. 15 Feb 1842 @ Winterborne Came, Dorset

      From http://www.1837-online.com:

      Ridout, Henry death 1st quarter 1839 Bath District Vol XI page 23

      Ridout, Sarah marriage 3rd quarter 1859 Vol 2a page 30

      Ridout, Michael Bradley to Mary (?) Jun 1859 Belper District, Derbyshire Co. England Vol 76, page 707

      Ridout, Caroline christened 14 Aug 1814, base-born dau. of Harriett Hanham of Holnest, John Ridout sworn father.

      1841 Census Troy Town (west side of Piddletown) Dorset, England

      Household 107/285

      Ridout, John age 45 gamekeeper

      Ann 30 wife

      William 13 son

      Elizabeth 11 dau

      George 9 son

      Sarah 4 daughter

      Henry 1 son

      1851 Holnest, Dorset, England pages 6 – 7

      Household 107/1859

      Ridout, John age 55 place of birth: Holnest

      Ann 50 Marnhull

      George 17 Holnest

      Sarah 14 Piddletown

      Henry 11 Piddletown

      Joseph 9 Came

      On marriage record, Elizabeth is listed as the widow of a Ridout. Assumption was made by 2 other family researchers and myself that she may have been a sister-in-law. Search on www. dorset-opc.com led to discovery that Robert Ridout married elizabeth Bartlett on 25 May 1770 in the Parish of Holnest, Dorset, England. Also discovered on this site is a John Ridout marriage to Jenny Loader date 12 Oct 1762. It states that John’s parents were Robert Ridout of Middlemarsh & Elizabeth Bartlett of Leigh. So it’s very possible that Elizabeth and her 1st husband had children before his death/divorce.

      Robert Ridout & Elizabeth Bartelott married 25 Mar 1770, Parish of Holnest

      Joseph Ridout, singleman, & Elizabeth Ridout, widow, both of this parish (Holnest) married 26 Jan 1775.

      children gathered from Holnest christenings & other records search:

      Robert chr. 2 Jan 1777, married Susanna West 2 Jul 1821.

      Joseph chr. 2 Feb 1779

      Jane chr. 12 Nov 1780

      Roger chr. 16 May 1784 d. Mar 1858 Dorset Vol. 5a page 209

      Elizabeth chr. 22 Sep 1787

      William chr. 3 Jan 1789

      John chr. 6 Feb 1791

      Sarah chr. 14 Jan 1793

      Joseph Ridout listed on Land Tax Assessment for Holnest 1783

      Parish of Holnest Burials 1589-1812

      Susannah dau of Wiliam & Jane Ridout 26 May 1756

      Jenny dau of William & Anne Ridout 3 Feb 1760

      Ann Ridout 1 Aug 1765

      Jane Ridout 20 Nov 1768

      Martha Ridout Jan 1769

      Dorothy Ridout ‘an Old Woman’ 8 Feb 1780

      Elizabeth age 1 1/2 years, 3 Mar 1787

      Jenny wife of John Ridout, Farmer, 6 Feb 1794

      Jane aged 75 wife if John, labourer, 6 Aug 1795

      William aged 69, 23 Sept 1800

      Mr. John Ridout aged 78, 3 Apr 1801

      Holnest Burials 1814-1850

      Joseph Ridout age 80, 10 Jan 1819

    • Prevaricat's avatar Prevaricat says:

      Hi Lee

      I have copied below all the information from my records… I’m afraid it’s patchy at best and may be of little use to you. I hope you succeed at getting more detailed replies from folks who know more 🙂

      Cheers, Karen

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