From John Ridout of Sherborne to John Ridout of Bath: a hypothesis

John Ridout, my x3 great grandfather, was baptised in Sherborne on 12th  February 1785. His parents were John and Susanna Ridout.  The couple had other children between at least 1783 and 1796.

John Ridout's baptism: February 1785

The best candidate marriage that I could find was that of John Ridout and Susanna Shore at Sherborne Abbey on Sunday 5th August 1781. Although there were two other ‘John and Susanna’ pairings in Dorset at about the same time, following these families forward has led to their elimination.  After years of searching, the only Susanna Shore I have ever found was, according to a relation of hers who was recently in touch, baptised on May 6th 1755 at Haselbury Plucknett, daughter of James and Ann Shoor. This town is near Crewkerne in Somerset, about twelve miles from Sherborne. It’s possible.

When John and Susanna married in 1781, neither party could sign their name, but this was not an uncommon phenomenon in those days.

John Ridout and Susanna Shore marriage 1781

A witness, William Ridout, also ‘made his mark’. Perhaps William was John’s brother?  On Christmas Day 1779, a William Ridout had married Ann Andrews and his witnesses were John Ridout & Sarah Ridout, all of whom made their mark. Were John and Sarah husband and wife or brother and sister, in which case were they siblings of William? I’ll never know. However, there was only one Ridout couple in Sherborne who had a William (22nd March 1749), a Sarah (4th May 1758) and a John (8th September 1753) baptised. The couple in question was Christopher Ridout and Elizabeth Parker, who married at Sherborne Abbey on Tuesday 5th May 1746. If this is the correct family, then William would have been about thirty when he married and John about twenty-eight. Obviously, Christopher is a particularly relevant name in this branch of the family but, however tempting, this isn’t proof that I’m on the right track, of course.

When trying to trace backwards through time, genealogists tend to assume thirty years between generations, as a rough rule of thumb. So, if Christopher and Elizabeth were baptising children in the early 1750’s I would anticipate that Christopher may have been born about thirty years earlier, say in the early 1720s. Rather fortuitously, I could only find one baptism for a Christopher Ridout in Dorset anyway: Christopher Ridout, son of John and Mary Ridout, baptised on Thursday 2nd April 1722 at Sherborne Abbey!  Now, for a family historian, seeing ‘John and Mary’ is always rather depressing, being probably two of the most common names in England at that time – I’m plumping for John Ridout and Mary Symonds for reasons that go well beyond my ability to explain here – this couple married on 1st January 1718/1719.  Using the ‘thirty year rule’ again, I would suppose this John to have been born in about 1690 and I find a handy baptism on 13th November 1691: ‘John, son of John and Elizabeth Ridout’. There was a marriage, on the 6th January 1690/1691, between John Ridout and Elizabeth Noake – could be them perhaps.

So now I am looking for yet another John baptised, according to the thirty year rule in about 1660 and ‘bang’, I arrive at the brother of Christopher Ridout (he of Ridout’s Mill) – John, baptised on the 26th February 1659/60, son of John Ridout and Elizabeth Oliver.  I have to admit that, genealogically speaking, this is all extremely hypothetical but one has to start with something in order to try strenuously to disprove it!  Putting it all in a line, the descendency from Christopher’s brother down to my x3 great grandfather looks like this:

John Ridout (b. ~1631) = Elizabeth Oliver

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John Ridout (b. ~1660) = Elizabeth Noake

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John Ridout (b. ~1691) = Mary Symonds

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Christopher Ridout (b. ~1722) = Elizabeth Parker

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John Ridout (b. ~1753) = Susanna Shore

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John Ridout (b. 1785) = Sarah Hodges

Matches with yDNA have suggested that there is a high chance that my ‘nearest common ancestor’ with descendents of Christopher Ridout (b. 1669) is within fourteen generations. The tree above suggests a common ancestor at about twelve. The task ahead is now to search out every scrap of evidence that exists to try and prove or disprove the theory – sounds like a big project to me!

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George Ridout, baker of West Mill, Sherborne

Christopher Ridout’s second son was George (1701-1779). When he grew up, George was by trade a baker and probably succeeded to his father’s business at West Mill. The mill had originally been built in the sixteenth century but was apparently re-built in about 1730, perhaps by Christopher or George?

George married his first wife, Mary Hallett, on 25th November 1725 at Milborne Port. The couple had several children including:

1. George baptised 24th November 1726 – a baker, like his father. Married Hester Trimnell but had no children.

2. Mary baptised 4th March 1726/7 – married John Hoddinott of Sherborne, an upholsterer.

3. John baptised 16th March 1729/30 – travelled to America in 1752 and became secretary to Horatio Sharpe, Governor of Maryland. He married Mary, a daughter of Governor Samuel Ogle.

4. Edith baptised in March 1733 and died the year of her birth.

5. Nicodemus baptised 12th July 1734 – married Betty Charmbury. One of their sons, George, went to Toronto and was, for a time justice of the peace. Nicodemus was a merchant and burgess who settled and died in Bristol.

6. Samuel baptised 24th September 1735 and died the year of his birth.

7. Edith baptised 22nd September 1737 – married Isaac Finch of London, a hatter.

8. Elizabeth baptised 29th November 1739 – married George Ward, silk throwster and had at least seven children including sons named John Sharrer Ward and George Ridout Ward.

Mary died on the 9th December 1751 and George married a second time on the 15th May 1753 at Long Burton to Mary Gibbs, a lady fifteen years his junior. The couple had two sons:

9. Thomas baptised 17th March 1754 – Went to America in 1774 and had several adventures, including being captured by a party of Shawnee, of which much is written. Moved on to Canada and became Surveyor General in Toronto and was elected to the Legislature in 1812. Married twice and had a great many children, some of whom became prominent in Canadian society.

10. John Gibbs baptised 24th June 1757 – stayed in London and became an eminent doctor. Married Elizabeth Holmes and had six children.

Here follows two letters of interest…

Over Stowey, 8th January 1888, from Susan Ward to her cousin Frances Ward of Longbridge Deverill near Warminster…

“I am quite certain that our grandmother Elizabeth Ward (neé Ridout) was whole sister to the Ridout who went out to America to be secretary to the Governor of Maryland. I used to hear my Father mention the name of the Governor but do not remember it and don’t know Mr Ridout’s Christian name; he went straight from college to America. The Governor of Maryland wrote to his friend the Head of the College asking him to send out a young man whom he could highly recommend. This must have occurred some years before the war of Independence which began 1775 and the Independence was declared 1782. Our Grandmother did not go out with him but went as a guest later on: I think she was with him some little time before she resolved to throw in her lot with him – she returned to England to take leave of her relations but the war breaking out she was obliged to alter her plans and our Grandfather (George Ward) becoming her suitor, she married and settled down in the old land. It is not likely Mr Ridout was less than 20 when he was sent after doing well at College and he must have been in America six years before the war: I believe his sister was with him three years. She used to be very proud of telling us how she danced a minuet in Washington’s House, Franklyn playing the musical glasses for the dancers. The Tom Ridout who wrote the long letter giving an account of his adventures in Canada in 1789 was half brother of our grandmother – so was Dr Ridout. Miss Mary Ridout was a far off cousin of his but considered herself more nearly connected with some Miss Ridouts who were living at Sherborne. Our grandmother died aged 86 – was living in 1825 probably 1826.”

From George Ridout Ward found by his daughter Frances and forwarded to a relative from Sandhurst on 10th July 1884…

“Christopher Ridout, miller of Sherborne and also farmer, lived at Ridout’s Mill and married a Miss Glover. They had three children John, George and Elizabeth. John went to America in consequence of a disappointment in love but it is supposed he married in America. Mr John Ridout (son of George), going to America some years afterwards lodged at a widow’s house in New York of the name Ridout and it was supposed by his father she must have been the widow of his son John. Her husband’s name was John and he told her that he came from a town in the west of England, but would not tell her the name. He came to England as master of a trading vessel but never visited his parents. He once sent for his brother to Bristol and saw him but declined to see his parents.

George married Mary Hallett daughter of Nicodemus Hallett of Milborne Port – he possessed a respectable leasehold property on which he lived. George and Mary Ridout lived at Ridout’s Mill, the said George Ridout succeeding to his father’s mill & property. George and Mary Ridout had eight children: George, Mary, John, Edith (died), Nicodemus, Edith, Samuel and Elizabeth. George died without issue and was a baker. Mary married J Hoddinott of Sherborne, upholsterer by whom she had three children: John & Mary who died and James who married and left one daughter. John went to America, secretary to Governor Sharpe of Maryland and married Miss Ogle the succeeding Governor’s daughter by whom he had three children: Samuel, Horatio and Anne. Samuel married a Miss Addison, descended from the writer of the Spectator and was a judge. Horatio lived on his own property. Anne married a Mr Gibson, a merchant. Nicodemus lived at Bristol, a maltster He married twice and had families. Edith married Mr Finch a draper in London and had a son who died and Elizabeth, a daughter who married Mr Scudamore. Elizabeth married George Ward, silk throwster of Sherborne, son of George Ward of Sawbridgeworth in Hertfordshire and they had children: John Sharrer Ward, Susannah Ward, George Ridout Ward, Elizabeth Ward who married Woollam, Mary Ward, who married Burges and Thomas Ward.”

So George Ridout Ward, son of Elizabeth Ridout and George Ward says that his grandparents and great grandparents lived at the mill. I wondered how that might be possible since the only mill I have ever seen was full of machinery and would have been totally unsuitable for human habitation! However, this matter was clarified yesterday. The curator of Sutton Poyntz Water Museum has apparently researched West Mill and I was lucky enough to receive some information about the fabric of the building through a third party. “It was built of local rubble stone, three floors high with a roof of stone slats and standing on sloping ground such that on the upstream side, the stone floor could be entered by a doorway nearly at ground level. There was a miller’s cottage joined to the right of the building, behind which was the bakery.”

So, coupled with George Ridout Ward’s letter, it seems feasible that George and his father Christopher (and maybe even son George as well) lived at West Mill. I know they were in possession at least by 1720, if not before. My next challenge is to find out whether or not the Ridouts re-built the mill in 1730 and when it was that they finally relinquished the business and moved elsewhere.

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